Which Joker Was Better - Jack Nicholson in Tim Burton's Batman Movie or Heath Ledger in Chris Nolan's The Dark Knight?
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There's no doubt that one of greatest villains ever created in the world of comics is the clown prince of crime - the Joker! His crazy and sadistic antics have tested Batman's metal time and time again. Without a great villain, you can't have a great hero.
Which brings me to this hub and why I'm asking which was the better Joker - Heath Ledger or Jack Nicholson?
I know it's a strange comparison, because Tim Burton's Joker in the 1989 Batman movie is a whole different beast than the Joker in Christopher Nolan's 2008 The Dark Knight. Yes, and both Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's takes on the Joker were both phenomenal in their own unique ways.
Nevertheless, who says you cannot compare the two? That's like saying you can't compare KFC's original chicken to their "crispy" chicken. After all, everyone has favorites, right?
Now, don't get me wrong here. This comparison has nothing to do with the "acting." I think we all can agree that both performances were astounding, as I mentioned early. This comparison can range from how the Joker was written in both Batman movies and how "realistic" the character was captured on screen.
There's no doubt that if a character is written completely wrong, he just wont translate on screen well no matter who you get to play him or her. Ghost Rider, Catwoman, Elektra just to name a few comic movies that ruined really cool comic characters.
Was the way the Joker was written convincing? Which Joker was scarier?
Tim Burton's Joker
After all the rigorous hours of putting all that make up on to play the part, Jack Nicholson actually looked like the older Joker from the silver age comics. I'm sure we can all agree that Jack Nicholson did capture all the bombastic, crazy, evil silliness that makes up the Joker in the comic books.
Tim Burton's Joker was written and modeled off of the older Batman comics, and the character was more true to the Joker in those silver and early bronze age comics. However, here's the thing:
The Joker in Tim Burton's Batman was just silly. Sure, he was crazy as well, but he was just written silly. I'll make my points to back up my reasoning here.
The one thing I liked in Tim Burton's Batman was that it did depict one of the Joker's many origins in which he falls into a tank of chemical waste. That was cool to some extent. However, there are just some things within comic books that shouldn't be translated on screen.
Now, the character was written pretty dead on to how the Joker is in the comic book. He uses comedic weapons like his infamous flower squirter that squirts acid. It is his trade mark weapon, as well as his lethally charged electric joy buzzer, but realistically, those didn't have to be in the movie.
There's one word for that and it's campy! It wasn't really believable. I know they were trying to stay genuine to the character in the comic, but there's something's that work on screen and something's that are okay to leave out.
It would've been fine to leave out those silly weapons and have him use more realistic ones to cause mischief and mayhem. The aim for anyone writing the Joker is to have him appear truly frightening in an insane way. The Joker portrayed by Jack Nicholson didn't capture that. It captured totally insane in a goofy, silly way.
Another thing troubling about the way the Joker was written in the 1989 Batman film is that the Joker was surrounding by goofy henchmen. They didn't look real or convincing and were seen as incompetent. How can you have a frightening villain if he surrounds himself with incompetent henchmen? It just doesn't give off the right menacing air of plausibility.
Here's the big problem I had with the way the character was written in the 1989 Batman movie that ruined the Joker's character was the plot line about being smitten for Vicki Vale, played by Kim Basinger. It was quite silly to see the Joker try to woo her. Yes, his approach in wooing Vicki Vale was crazy and nutty but it was comical.
The Joker is anarchy incarnate, a homicidal maniac with no rules. The only thing he loves is causing complete and utter mayhem and destruction. I didn't get the whole deal with the Joker falling for Vicki Vale. That seemed to ruin the essence of the character's villainy.
Although there's no doubt that Jack Nicholson did an amazing job acting wise, the Joker in Tim Burton's Batman didn't frighten me. I wasn't laughing with him. I was laughing at him. I blame that on bad writing.
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Christopher Nolan's Joker
Like most comic book geeks, I have to admit that I scratched my head when it announced that Heath Ledger was going to play the Joker in Christopher Nolan's follow up sequel The Dark Knight. I was a bit concerned.
However, after watching the movie, I was astonished at the fresh take on the Joker. The spin on the character was not all that strict to the comic book, and for once, I thought this was a good thing.
I was pretty shocked that Christopher Nolan's Joker was physically far off from the characters appearance in the comic book, and I thought this intriguing. I wasn't disappointed. The long straggly hair gave him a crazed sloppy look. I liked the fact that he wore make up, instead of being physically deformed by toxic waste. This added even more of scary, crazy kind of mentality to the character.
Another thing that was great was that his purple suit was darker and more moodier, unlike the overly bright purple Joker suit and colors Jack Nicholson wore. The suit in Tim Burton's Batman was a little too bombastic and over-the-top in terms of overly bright, annoying colors.
Although, I loved watching the origin of the Joker in Tim Burton's film, I thought it was brilliant that Chris Nolan didn't go through the Joker's origin. This gave the character total mystery. There was no previous profile to fall back on. That particular spin added even more unpredictability to the character and made him even more frightening.
Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was unbelievably realistic and frightening. Here was a Joker that was just menacing. I loved how they kept his back ground shrouded in complete mystery, and the different stories he would tell about how he got his scars really left you wondering just how did he get those scars and if they had a hand in his psychosis.
Christopher and Johnathan Nolan definitely grounded the Joker in the real world, making him use real everyday weapons to add to the character being believable. Yes, they did stray from a lot of the character's comic book nuances, but that worked in their favor.
This Joker is definitely more frightening, and it's his believability that makes him just that more frightening. He also wasn't surrounded by idiotic henchmen, and would rather hinder Bruce Wayne's love interest than try to court her.
Heath Ledger gave the character an almost child-like quirk that made the Joker even more creepy. The part where he's walking down the street in that nurses uniform was brilliant. His walk was like a kid that was just so pleased with himself. Then he pushes the button on the controller continuously until the hospital finally blows up.
Another thing was great about this Joker was that his dialogue was smart. He bordered the line between intelligent and insane. There was a definite reasoning to his madness, which made him a scarier version of crazy, and the things that he said that were funny were done in a completely twisted and evil way.
One scene that captured this dark humor was when he walked in on the meeting of Gotham's mob bosses and did his magic trick of making the pencil disappear by ramming it through the skull of a goon that tried to restrain him. That's the sick humor that the Joker is suppose to have.
I have to hand it to Chris Nolan and Heath Ledger's Joker. Although not totally genuine to the comic book character, their Joker, in my opinion, definitely captured a more realistic, scarier, and truly frightening Joker.
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In Conclusion
Now, I know which Joker is better is all subjective. I personally like how the Joker was portrayed in The Dark Knight better than in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman. I do love both movies for completely different reasons, but I think Chris Nolan nailed how the Joker is suppose to be - menacing, insane but intelligent, and just plain damn frightening.
Now, some fans may like how Tim Burton's Joker was more authentic to the actual character in the comic book. They may prefer that over realism or the character being believable in the real world. The character is a comic book character after all, right?
That's cool. No answer is right. It's all about what you prefer and like. Either way, vote for which Joker you liked better or thought was better for whatever reasoning you may have.
Which Joker Did You LIke Better?
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very interesting topic for discussion! Your reviews about both Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger are very fine on details and trust me, they make making one decision difficult.
Personally I have seen both the films and I being more realistic found the Joker in the Dark Knight more appealing. Nice hub!
"Fresh take" is really the best way to describe it. Heath was a much more villainous villain!
The two Jokers are incomparable, due to the different plots.
If Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton were both given the exact same script, and told to produce a film, then a grand comparison could be made.
It's difficult to find a person alive today, especially in the 18-25 age bracket, by my estimate, that doesn't like The Dark Knight. Audiences today love stories whose log line starts with, "In a dystopian world..." There is a sense of intentional camp in the Tim Burton depictions. You can feel it. If Tim Burton intended to make a serious, dark and poignant Batman movie, he could do so. Think, the antithesis of Big Fish.
Your arguments are sound, however, and I revel in imagining - how would each actor have interpreted the other Joker. Different scripts, different character development...it would've been magical either way.
I have to agree with you on your take of Heath Ledger's Joker. I have actually heard that Chris Nolan's inspiration for his works on the Batman franchise, including the Joker, was heavily derived from the works of Frank Miller. I've read one of them, Batman: Year One, and yeah, it's not at all a happy tale, so I'm sure Miller's version of the Joker is certainly no version of a happy clown. Joker's happy silly antics may have worked pretty well for the comic book era of it's time like you said, but it does get too annoying to watch on the big screen. Heath's was just a real heartless psycho that could easily make you think about the horror stories of the criminally insane that we read about in the news today...and that's really scary! I also like the fact that Joker's origins are mysterious here because of how much more dangerous that made him to Batman. When Batman kept beating down the Joker in the interrogation room, the Joker would just laugh and just said: "You have nothing to threaten me with!" And how could he? If you know nothing about a villain's past or about his personal connections to anyone, how can you control him at all?
Wonderful piece! I'm sharing this on my FB page!
Heath Ledger all the way. He so totally creeped me out with his psycho version that he has to be the better of the two!
I'm going to go off the beaten path and say Cesar Romero from the original TV series. There was something so amusing, yet harrowing about his portrayal that I always looked forward to watching his episodes, even though they were all reruns.
Great hub and voted up!
Heath Ledger's version by far, the Jack Nicholson version was just a clown running a gang. Heath was an psychopath with no care for permanent alliance, even his facial expressions made him the more deviant and terrifying criminal. Just my 2 cents. Great article, I truly enjoyed your comparisons, Thanks.















laurathegentleman Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago
This is wonderful! I thought that both interpretations were wonderfully done! Personally, I think that Heath Ledger's character was slightly MORE terrifying, because he was very realistic and more like a mentally insane person - whereas Jack Nicholson's Joker was more of a character, and over-the-top... But this was AWESOME! Thanks for sharing!